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Just as you are losing your argument. You have nothing of worth to say except degenerate the EU with abstract phrases. I tell you, the EU aint perfect, but I wouldn't live in a country with te far right domination that you are seeking. Although far from perfect, it is the alternative that is untenable
I have values and I have loyalty, althouh not loyalty to a sadly wasted United Kingdoms. The simple and straight forward answer is trade, and prices. If you leave the common market, watch inflation soar, watch the trade deficit fall floorwards, and most of alll, watch half the city of london head for Frankfurt. Naturally I take exception to being called an englander.
As the 7th. largest manufacturing country in the world I do not suffer your Little Englander beliefs that these United Kingdoms are too small & inadequate to survive without paying a tax of £48M a day to be in the over regulated, corrupt, damaging, centralised idiological communist styled EU.
Sorry your propaganda fails to impress but never mind, who cares what you think as you have no interest in Britain as a propagandist for The EU - salaried by the British tax payers I presume, as a part of The EU propaganda budget.
The European Union brought peace to Europe.
The European Union is not and will never be a superstate.
Churchill was all for the European Union.
There is no rule about straight bananas. It's a eurosceptic fairy story.
Ah, but 60 percent of our trade is with Europe...
We get huge amounts of funding from Europe.
ConstitutionLisbon Treaty is a harmless 'tidying-up exercise'.
This is not tweaking the treaties of Rome, Nice and Maastricht so that they work better. Now that the EU constitution has been accepted, it has changed a group of trading nations into a Federation operating under one law; a whole new ball-game. Guess who will make the rules?.
Britain will lose influence outside the EU.
We'll have to join the single currency eventually.
But think of all the benefits of joining...
shill scumbag on YouTube paid to tell lies...We don't need 30 million signatures to force an ALREADY PROMISED referendum.
A cool million would do it, however if we needed 30 million we could find them.
The VAST MAJORITY of people saw Camoron promise a referendum and now see him lying about it.
Much as I may agree it does NOT help our argument for liberty and the fundamental human right of 'Self Determination' by abuse.
I am really curious as to what exactly you propose to trade?
Currently we HAND OVER £48Million based on the betrayal of our own self selected Political class and their hired Praise Singers.
Most countries have taken a hammering, but the Germans wiill recover far quicker than anyone else because they have the right model. Yes, your industry is in French/German hands, as is every utility bill you pay. Whose fault is that?
Of course Germany will recover quicker, but do not under estimate these United Kingdoms, consider the Empire Germany built off of its great land mass whilst we made our achievements from this small island.
Germany does NOT have the right model it has sold out largely to Russia & is owed a fortune by those who have NO ability to repay so they are printing money helter skelter - to orchestrate buy outs of busted economies!
ONE trip and they fall!
FAULT? Indubitably OUR self styled Political class.
The PIIGS countries made the mistake of joining the Euro at a time when it was over inflated by the strong industrial countries. My guess is the single currency won't last out the next decade. You seem to mistake me for someone who is simply pro european, I'm not. We should not have entered in the first place, but it's too late now.We have no trade and industry, we gave our soul to the market, it owns us now. You cannot come out of the EU and hope to make England an industrial country
EVERY Country did that was daft enough to join. Most, like Greece, Italy & Spain lied through their teeth and the banks made paper loans to fudge the figures.
Ireland was bought by EU investment that cut off after they joined!
Do you really see the farce lasting that long as gold goes through the roof with China purchasing 10,000 physical tons to back the Yuan and the US Dollar no longer free standing.
I do not agree with your LITTLE ENGLANDER scare mongering we WILL Leave-the-EU, I am infinitely more scared of the period we are in the EU than after we Leave-the-EU.
Any idiot sees that Farage can only criticise people not their IDEAS, in his own words EU President was a damp rag, bank clerk, etc, but NOTHING about their ideas. That's LACK of arguments and Farage don't have much capacity of argumentation. To do what he does I can do for half of his salary, to only Insult people? I can do that to.
Farage criticizes the entire IDEAS of common polices, unelected bureaucrats who draft these policies, and the fact the EU was forced on many countries that did not get a vote.
Let me break it down for you...
Farage's largest two criticisms of the EU are:
1) The Lisbon Treaty was not adopted by democratic measures in adopting countries as promised
2) The EU Commission is ENELECTED... that means the people who get to write legislation are unaccountable to the people.
Who chooses them and how? Where did they come from? This is not democratic.
My issue about Farage is simple:
Insulting People and even worse, insulting their superior, is lame and don't bring anything good to EU Parliament.
Farage has all the right to speak, but to say what is wrong, what can change and bring new solutions not to call "damp rag" to EU President.
Whats for? He and UK only lose with that... That's my point.
Ohh here we go again...
Ohhh The EU is not democratic...
Ohhh The EU is not a fan of freedom of speech...
Ohh this and that.. all the whining for what?
Look for a moment at Farage ABUSED freedom of speech!
ABUSED Democracy! Farage could say: 'I don’t like this law, or we need to change that law or situation, I don't like EU'.
That is understandable but calling Damp Rag and Bank Clerk to EU President is LOW, very low, very poor argument. How can I like Farage? I cannot like him.
When former Soviet dictator Mikhail Gorbachev visited Britain in 2000, he accurately described the European Union as "the new European Soviet." He said this with obvious approval, since he sees the evolving EU as fulfilling his vision of a "common European home" stretching "from the Atlantic to the Urals," as he described it in his 1987 book Perestroika. Mr. Gorbachev is a lifelong Communist overlord who has steadfastly refused to renounce Communism.
God, why did you sent so much fools on this planet and so few who speak the truth??
I wish we had someone here in Germany willing to defend freedom and democracy.Well said The UK EUroSceptic Movement & thanks to Mr Farage!
Thank you for speaking for hundreds of millions of Europeans who were not even asked if they wanted to become " citizens " of the EU " Empire"
On the strength of the speech replying to Barosso's 'State of The Union' speech -
Go Nigel. You guys should elect this guy to Prime Minister -he's awesome!
Farage is Brilliant, a British Alex Jones
When will people learn from the mistakes of history?And when, oh when, oh when will the British electorate WAKE UP and consign this unelected, unaccountable EUSSR to the scrapheap of our political history?
Learn From History ;-) The British Military has a history of doing well but we talk up our enemy and we respect them - the American Army lurches from disaster to chaos as a rabble utterly dependent on equipment and superiority of arms even though, having denigrated and insulted the Gooks, Geeks and Spics they are confronted by they tend to end up shooting themselves in both feet and being trounced by peasants on bicyles!
Excellent speech by Farage in response to Barosso's 'State of The Union' speech.
Its a pity that quite a few people that this creeping EU superstate is communist.
The only thing it shares with Communist regimes is a totalitarian outlook. In almost all other respect, the EU is becoming increasingly fascist.
Remember that the privatisation of profit and the socialisation of loss (bank bailouts anyone?) is the hallmark of fascist economics, and it is what we have in the EU.
One of the great dangers of drinking on the enemy's shilling is that it is all too easy to become impressed by oneself as an actor and lose sight of the audience beyond the curtain!
Barosso is a communist and covers up paedophile activity - among political elites and Jews like Schultz..
Nigel Farage is really becoming annoying to the Jesuits and the next time they try to assassinate him they will succeed. He didn't take him warning serious. I suggest he does not take any planes anywhere.
How does this system of EU governence have any justification without the legitimiasy of a full free and fair informed referendum.
The You Gov. Poll of early September shows 47% in favour of leaving and 33% in favour of staying with the 'Don't Knows' likely to go either way.This is not enough now or later.
Quite an achievement in independent thinking and the courage of the peoples of these United Kingdoms in largely rejecting the endless betrayal by a self styled largely mutually supportive Political Elite - you will those wishing to stay by voting NO are almost the same % as are the 'Salary Vote' of Politicians, Civil Servants, QUANGOcracy Government employees - The EU is after all and enrichment scam based on 'Jobs for The Boys'!
Even if the September 2010 figure is accurate now, there is certainly no guarantee that it would remain at that level after a national in/out campaign, given all the economic priorities which would distract from it.
Given also the extensive propaganda drives, and especially massive funds input from the MSM, BBC, EU establishment in the UK, and of course Brussels itself supporting an 'in' position.
(The Irish campaign on Lisbon is a case in point).
I do not believe that any but UK citizens of not less than 10 year standing should be authorised to vote it is OUR Referendum for US not for aliens from France, Germany, Poland or Africa ONLY British citizens.
The point about the clear lack of interest at Westminster would I think be the critical factor in the defeat of the 'YES' side wishing to leave.
Let us remember that Westminster (and the devolved parliaments) are broadly speak united in staying in.
The party whips would most certainly be out in force resulting in a predictable re-run of the Maastricht scenario (battle was lost in Westminster).
If it is to be won/lost, then Westminster will be the crucible.
IMO it is impossible for it to be decided by the uncertain fluctuations in so called 'public opinion' alone, and without any noticeable pressure from the public to alter the status quo.
On this issue timing is everything.
The 'YES' side needs to be absolutely certain of at least a reasonable
chance of winning a vote.
I cannot see this happening unless and until the the British public are so enraged by living under the soft jackboot of the
EU that they will be hammering on the doors of Westminster demanding a referendum.
No signs of that yet, and look how far down the road we have gone into almost total subservience.
We are at that stage - since you talk of timing - when failure to act will give rise to being boiled alive!
Whilst I have confidence in the power of the Internet, a referendum campaign confined in the main to the Net and seeking to galvanise national interest will not IMO be nearly sufficient to generate the necessary level of anger and resistance to the EU which would be vital.
That would need the support of much of the MSM, in particular the Sun, Mirror, and Torygraph, as well as endorsement from trade unions, business leaders, and a good many other public figures/ and so called 'opinion formers' .
A lacklustre campaign borne out of sheer frustration by Hannan, UKIP, and a few elements of brave Tory malcontents would not be enough, and would prove, yet again, that the EUroRealist movement in the UK has not learned important lessons from past failures.
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