Wednesday 25 January 2012

Dr. Eric EDMONDS Quotes 'Prober' & Exit & Survival Policy!

Dr. Eric EDMONDS Quotes 'Prober' & Exit & Survival Policy!
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Hi,

it is interesting to note the number of informed individuals who now realise that UKIP under its present corrupt and inept leadership team are not fit for purpose and as utilisers of various forms of attempts at cyber bullying and dishonesty to secure their income stream on the EU gravy train are clearly more dangerous in many ways than the self destructive EU they feed on!

Let us not forget that Eric Edmond was elected to UKIP NEC by the members and bullied off when he scared the leadership by seeking transparency and accountability!

It is interesting to note that he too has become aware of just what a problem to EUroScepticism UKIP's self enriching and self serving leadership are as shown by his posting below:

Tuesday, 24 January 2012

Prober outlines EUKIP's failings

There is someone who posts on Butcher's forum under the nom de plume Prober who is one of the few worth reading on that site. Most of the posts are made by anonymous Farage wannabee MEPs eg Gothmog  who are scared to post under their real names and are impervious to huge volumes of inconvenient facts. Click on link to read Prober's latest effort. Its on a thread started by Niall Warry on the topic "What should our Exit and Survival Strategy be from the EU?"

Niall Warry has correctly identified this as a major defect in EUKIP's  largely non-exisitent political strategy. The lack of any coherent strategy is a result of EUKIP degenerating into a Farage cult with talented members being smeared and removed to join the swelling army of former UKIP members which now far outnumbers UKIP members.


I quote Prober's post in full below:
"Clegg says (unchallenged) that UK has to stay subordinate to EU because 2 million jobs and 40% of our exports ( implying 40% of our income) is bound up with EU and would be lost if we pulled out.


One would have thought that ages ago UKIP would have articulated and quantified on its website a vision for a future of and step by step pathway to a UK outside the EU emerging as a global 
outward looking production and bilateral international trading link nation ....to replace the inward looking future of being hampered by a declining high cost EU. An essential part of such public
education would be to identify and realistically quantify the short and long term political and economic costs and and benefits and what would need to be done to ensure that the man in the street is not hit in the pocket and how he would benefit.


In addition, the idea that after (if) UK walks away or renegotiates membership, the EU (despite its problems) is just going to disappear makes UKIP look head in sand ridiculous. To establish its credibility UKIP should have on its website its identification of what a future EU could be like ( an association of free nations in co-operation and negotiated bilateral free trade with no powers over nations) , how it could be structured , how a pathway could come about and what savings would result and what UK's relationship to it would be. UKIP was wedded to election campaignprinciples of "keep it simple just say " NO !" That gets 16% of the vote .


Note that if a referendum on pull out from the EU is held today it would be lost because the "fear factor" would overcome antipathy towards the EU. One would have thought that a prime objective of UKIP would be public education targeted to overcome that fear. Its shop window ( its website) doesnt seem to indicate it is very important.


A party hungry for success would deeply attack the record of big 3 MPS and failure of their parties as cant or wont provide the EU solution in the interests of UK people. UKIP hardly tries except for the odd squeak and MPs can ignore UKIP with impunity. UKIP as a party seems to be an invisible except on displacement activity ( English parliament , MEPs in Pan European party or not, pub campaign) , ... almost an irelevant spectator of events going more or less its way . Despite once having more MEPs than Labour BBC dont invite UKIP on newsnight when economists and EU officials are deliberating EU solutions/problems or the domestic economy is the subject. That fits the concept of a party happy for events to take their course and relieved to disband and support Tories (a la Pearson ) if a referendum is achieved and UK pulls out of the EU. It doesnt fit the concept of a party that has a domestic credibility long term vision."
The problem is EUKIP's laziness. They don't do the research and homework required to rebut and expose LibLabCon lies. Their back up research where it exists is poor quality. Not surprising as the researchers are appointed because of their unquestioning support for Farage and desire for MEP slots rather than talent and ability. This is  mirrored in the poor quality and lack of effort of many of their MEPs like William Legge, Bloom, Nuttall etc. They just want to pose and preen before the diminishing EUKIP faithful and like Farage hope for invites on to Newsnight etc. The problem is they are empty barrels and have nothing worthwhile to say so the invites have dried up. They are not interested in the hard graft and grind of politics like setting up a decent web site, keeping it up to date with relevant facts and authoritative opinion.


Are the Hamiltons, the face of Tory sleaze in the 90s, the people to change this? I don't think so but mores the pity obviously some UKIP members do. 


I compare them with John Redwood who sends out his email every day to anyone interested. Its well researched, well written and commands respect. Redwood is of course a very able man backed up by able researchers.


Farage and his cabal lack depth of knowledge and ability. They are being exposed as shallow and inconsequential compared to Alex Salmond and his able team. EUKIP has to change and Farage and his cabal have to be got rid of or our leave the EU cause is dead. 
 
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Monday 9 January 2012

Expert Economist Shows 'Better Off Out of The EU'

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FAMILIES WILL BE BETTER OFF OUT OF THE EU, SAYS EXPERT


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Economist Prof Patrick Minford has said that families are better off out of the EU
Monday January 9,2012

By Jane Mathews



THE average family would be much better off if we left the EU, according to a leading economist.

Professor Patrick Minford said living standards would rise as Britain enjoyed freedom from the "haven of regulation and state intervention" in Brussels. He suggested the UK will probably "detach itself to a large extent" from the EU over the coming decade.

But leaving altogether could mean cheaper food, clothing and other goods thanks to competition.

An economist at Cardiff Business School, Prof Minford said: "What the EU does is raise the prices of most things traded within Europe through protection given to its single market by trade arrangements.

"Cars, computers, clothes, machinery, food - all have their prices held up by the restrictions on imports from cheaper sources, often China, but also India, New Zealand and South Korea.

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UK will probably detach itself to a large extent from the EU
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"Outside the EU the prices of what we buy would be the cheapest available in the world - our industries would sell their output on their capacity to meet world competition. We would all benefit from buying freely in the world market at world prices. Our living standards would rise."

A member of Conservative Way Forward and the European Reform Forum, he made his comments in the Julian Hodge Institute of Applied Macroeconomics quarterly review.

Critics argued it would be impossible to leave the EU without causing damage.

Labour peer Baroness Eluned Morgan of Ely said: "It is nonsense, because there is no doubt that we would lose jobs. Our relationship to the EU is fundamental to our economy."
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Critics may well claim that 'it would be impossible to leave the EU without causing damag' however no critic has EVER supported their defeatist fantasy with substantive facts nor cogent argument being it seems utterly dependent on largely dishonest spin.

You will note that Elunid Morgan whose only real job was as a researcher for the subsidised BBC and within its extremist and hugely subsidised S4C - a job she can not have held for more tyhan a few minutes assuming she graduated from Hull University! She moved into full time politics working for the EU at age 23 - little wonder she peddles their dishonest propaganda for her EU pension entitlement and it is to promote The EU she is rewarded with a Baronecy yet fails to declare her interests as she further betrays these United Kingdoms and Wales in particular in The House of Lords (phoney cronies!).

It would serve the media well to list financial interests of tyhose they quote!

Perhaps Mrs. Morgan would care to back her claim with informed validation as even The Labour Government showed through the independent survey they conducted via the largely left wing think tank that there were NO jobs overall that were dependent on membership of the EU outside of political (parasitic) jobs and as confirmed by the ex Labour leader and ex EU commissioner Niel Kinnock - 'there would be no loss of jobs and The EU would NOT penalise Britain and block trade' - he is of course correct though under stated as Labour's report showed a likeluihood of a net gain in jobs and that it would not be in the interest of The EU to block trade nor would it be legal under WTO rulings.

Interestingly the new liberty would provide huge scope for growth and freed of the obligation to pay the EU £50 million a day not only could the money be used to modernise Britain's infrastructure and invest in growth.

Free of the malign strictures of The EU we could tarriff transit trade and lift many of the petty restrictions on business designed to counter Britain's interests relative to those of failed Mediteranean countries.

Britain would also be freed of the EU tendering scams that have so damaged our industries such as automotive, aerospace, nuclear power, power generation, fishing and the like and the crass break up of Royal Mail to suit EU rules and the idiocy of imposition of the hugely costly and largely irrelevant HS2 which will prove so damaging to the Midlands and the countryside on route as they commute and take jobs to London.

It is hard to think of a single benefit of EU membership yet so easy to note how much damage membership has done to these United Kingdoms - One should also be aware of the gathering dislike of those in The EU who consistently seek to impose their needs and greeds on Britain, and it can be argued that the EU is increasingly being fermented as a cauldron of hatred managed by unelected bureaucrats for their personal gain as no fool would see The EU as of benefit beyond grubby self interest of a small clique and the4ir claque milking the 500,000,000 serfs in the vassal states in an obscene manner.

"In politics, stupidity is not a handicap." 
Napoleon Bonaparte (1769-1821)

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The disastrous effects of British politicians selling Britain into the thrall of foreign rule by the EU for their own personal rewards has damaged the well-being of Britain more than the armies of Hitler and the Franco - German - Italian axis of 1939 - 1945.

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Wednesday 4 January 2012

The Starting Point of A TEN POINT PLAN for Exit & Survival Strategy

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EXIT AND SURVIVAL STRATEGY – FIRST PRINCIPLES
by: Niall WARRY

1. We need to renegotiate our position over a number of years and not simply leave -Time scale for renegotiation could be say 5 years for the key principles and possibly 10 before our new renegotiated position is fully implemented and operational.

2. Payments to the EU budget would be reduced over say 5 years

3. Taking part in Euro elections along the way of our renegotiation need to be considered with the following types of considerations that the terms and conditions of all existing MEPs are in the main the responsibility the EU and any new MEPs, if applicable, being paid but not pensioned by the EU.

4. Withdrawal from the CAP and CFP and negotiating a free trade agreement would be 3 of the key areas to sort out within the first 5 years.

5. Parallel trade negotiations would need to start from day one with Commonwealth and any other countries we trade with.

6. 10 year plan to resort our own judicial system

7. Border immigration controls could be one of the few areas to take back control of on day one while the negotiations to repatriate, absorb or redefine visa status for EU citizens in this country would take longer.

8. Unwinding the tentacles of our defence that are tied up with the EU would take 5-10 years but the aim would be our own defence force capable of operating on its own to accomplish all the tasks required of it by the Country’s defence responsibilities.

9. Sole UK Foreign policy reinstated over a first few years

10. The repeal of EU bureaucracy in trade, industry, H&S, NHS or education etc etc phased over first 5 years

So the list can go on. This business of our E&SS is no easy matter but where are the people giving this thought and why is UKIP not leading on this?

Sorry I forgot EUKIP MEPs are far too busy getting p***ed in Brussels................. I wonder when Nigel last held a strategy and tactics meeting with his MEPs?

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