Dr. Eric EDMONDS Quotes 'Prober' & Exit & Survival Policy!
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it is interesting to note the number of informed individuals who now realise that UKIP under its present corrupt and inept leadership team are not fit for purpose and as utilisers of various forms of attempts at cyber bullying and dishonesty to secure their income stream on the EU gravy train are clearly more dangerous in many ways than the self destructive EU they feed on!
Let us not forget that Eric Edmond was elected to UKIP NEC by the members and bullied off when he scared the leadership by seeking transparency and accountability!
 
It is interesting to note that he too has become aware of just what a problem to EUroScepticism UKIP's self enriching and self serving leadership are as shown by his posting below:
There is someone who posts on Butcher's 
forum under the nom de plume Prober who is one of the few worth reading 
on that site. Most of the posts are made by anonymous Farage wannabee 
MEPs eg Gothmog  who are scared to post under their real names and are 
impervious to huge volumes of inconvenient facts. Click on link to read Prober's latest effort. Its on a thread started by Niall Warry on the topic "What should our Exit and Survival Strategy be from the EU?"
Niall Warry has correctly identified 
this as a major defect in EUKIP's  largely non-exisitent political 
strategy. The lack of any coherent strategy is a result of EUKIP 
degenerating into a Farage cult with talented members being smeared and 
removed to join the swelling army of former UKIP members which now far 
outnumbers UKIP members.
I quote Prober's post in full below:
"Clegg says 
(unchallenged) that UK has to stay subordinate to EU because 2 million 
jobs and 40% of our exports ( implying 40% of our income) is bound up 
with EU and would be lost if we pulled out.
One would have thought that
 ages ago UKIP would have articulated and quantified on its website a 
vision for a future of and step by step pathway to a UK outside the EU 
emerging as a global 
outward looking production 
and bilateral international trading link nation ....to replace the 
inward looking future of being hampered by a declining high cost EU. An 
essential part of such public
education would be to 
identify and realistically quantify the short and long term political 
and economic costs and and benefits and what would need to be done to 
ensure that the man in the street is not hit in the pocket and how he 
would benefit.
In addition, the idea that 
after (if) UK walks away or renegotiates membership, the EU (despite its
 problems) is just going to disappear makes UKIP look head in sand 
ridiculous. To establish its credibility UKIP should have on its website
 its identification of what a future EU could be like ( an association 
of free nations in co-operation and negotiated bilateral free trade with
 no powers over nations) , how it could be structured , how a pathway 
could come about and what savings would result and what UK's 
relationship to it would be. UKIP was wedded to election 
campaignprinciples of "keep it simple just say " NO !" That gets 16% of 
the vote .
Note that if a referendum 
on pull out from the EU is held today it would be lost because the "fear
 factor" would overcome antipathy towards the EU. One would have thought
 that a prime objective of UKIP would be public education targeted to 
overcome that fear. Its shop window ( its website) doesnt seem to 
indicate it is very important.
A party hungry for success 
would deeply attack the record of big 3 MPS and failure of their parties
 as cant or wont provide the EU solution in the interests of UK people. 
UKIP hardly tries except for the odd squeak and MPs can ignore UKIP with
 impunity. UKIP as a party seems to be an invisible except on 
displacement activity ( English parliament , MEPs in Pan European party 
or not, pub campaign) , ... almost an irelevant spectator of events 
going more or less its way . Despite once having more MEPs than Labour 
BBC dont invite UKIP on newsnight when economists and EU officials are 
deliberating EU solutions/problems or the domestic economy is the 
subject. That fits the concept of a party happy for events to take their
 course and relieved to disband and support Tories (a la Pearson ) if a 
referendum is achieved and UK pulls out of the EU. It doesnt fit the 
concept of a party that has a domestic credibility long term vision."
The problem is EUKIP's laziness. They 
don't do the research and homework required to rebut and expose 
LibLabCon lies. Their back up research where it exists is poor quality. 
Not surprising as the researchers are appointed because of their 
unquestioning support for Farage and desire for MEP slots rather than 
talent and ability. This is  mirrored in the poor quality and lack of 
effort of many of their MEPs like William Legge, Bloom, Nuttall etc. 
They just want to pose and preen before the diminishing EUKIP faithful 
and like Farage hope for invites on to Newsnight etc. The problem is 
they are empty barrels and have nothing worthwhile to say so the invites
 have dried up. They are not interested in the hard graft and grind of 
politics like setting up a decent web site, keeping it up to date with 
relevant facts and authoritative opinion.
Are the Hamiltons, the face of Tory 
sleaze in the 90s, the people to change this? I don't think so but mores
 the pity obviously some UKIP members do. 
I compare them with John Redwood who 
sends out his email every day to anyone interested. Its well researched,
 well written and commands respect. Redwood is of course a very able man
 backed up by able researchers.
Farage and his cabal lack depth of 
knowledge and ability. They are being exposed as shallow and 
inconsequential compared to Alex Salmond and his able team. EUKIP has to
 change and Farage and his cabal have to be got rid of or our leave the 
EU cause is dead. 
 
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